Hi Michael (and anyone else following this thread), I don't have orchids, but I'd say you do... We ARE talking about two animals. Now, do we need to use latin names for moss? Uh oh. It's kind of a point about trade names. What we get here (I'm in eastern Canada) isn't identified as from NZ, and it's cheap. It often doesn't even have a label, just a price in marker on the bag. I always thought it was Canadian spaghnum, and it still may be. I'll check at my local garden centre the next time I go. It's entirely brown, very dry and most likely sun-bleached/dried. It takes about a week to sink. You can buy it in big clear plastic bags at garden centres. I thought that was what the original post was referring to as I didn't think about regional product distribution. We'd never get redwood moss up here. There are peat bogs that supply the international market just a day's drive from here, and "unmined" bogs 4 hours down the road. I have (I swear) kept Neolebias tetras in a 10 gallon full of the stuff for 3 months. It came out messy, but identifiable (often still in strands), and the tank was hopping with juveniles. In heated tanks (23+), it lasts a couple of weeks maximum and isn't worth the trouble. Interesting. I'll take a trip to my garden guy this week and find out where this stuff is from. -Gary > Sorry Gary, but we're talking about two intirely different animals! > The spaghnum sold for orchids is New Zealand spaghnum that is harvested > alive and dried and bleached. There is some coming in from Tasmania > that > in some cases will start to grow if not fertilized and the water is > good. > There is also some bogus *NZ spaghnum* that actually comes from Chile. > It's crap! > > The green moss I've been refering to ISN"T spaghnum. It dosen't belong > in an aquarium and if you want your orchids to grow well, don't use it. > > I have 10,000 orchids growing in NZ and Tasmanian spaghnum and it must > dry a little between watering to insure longevity. Keeping it > submerged > in an aquarium will cause it to break down rather quickly. > > Michael > > -- > Michael Serpa * Bay Island Orchids > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!