Kym, Herbie might slap a libel suit on me, so I wont comment on the books you've been reading. Lee Newman (who's most likely reading this from Vancouver) and I collected Biotodoma a couple of months ago in pH 6.2 water in RIo Momon and the conductivity was about 50-80 uS depending on where you were. About 100 miles east of there, we again collected them, a prettier variety, in a lake with neutral pH and slightly higher conductivity. Another 1000 miles down river, i caught these fish in pH 5.4 water and no hardness. I know Lee collected the Rio Negro a couple of years ago, perhaps he will comment on the water conditions there. Biotodoma is found in white, and black waters. People are surprised to find white water pH often as high as 7.4 (I know I was) but I suggest lowering the pH to about 6 if you want to breed these fish. I've kept this fish before in hard alkaline water and could never get them to breed. Hats off to anyone who can breed them. Hope that helps. Vinny vkutty@prodigy.net http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/5491/ -----Original Message----- From: K & D martin <martndk@ibm.net> >speaking of biotodoma, i am reading conflicting info. I think it was >Baensch, or maybe axelrods atlas that said biotodoma cupido like hard water, >ph near 8. But in my Tetra book on cichlids (big hardback one) it says >biotodoma cupido like a ph of less than 7, nearer to 5.5!!! says that they >won't successfully breed in ph of higher than 5.5 and more than 1 degree >hardness. > >Sooo, which is right? this mattters to me, since i don't know whether to >keep them with my m. altispinosas or in a harder tank. > >kym ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!