Dave, I think we've established that you don't buy apistos who've been yanked from their parents, at least not if you intend to breed them. That's your prerogative. And I think we all realize there are benefits to letting parents rear their fry. On the other hand, no number of flames on this list is ever going to convince the rest of the apisto-breeding world (represented on the list or not) to stop breeding fish who eat their eggs. No increase in your blood pressure will convince the rest of us to sacrifice all the fry of failed parents. No critical mass of exclamation marks will ever convince the rest of the apisto-breeding world to carefully differentiate among parentally-raised vs. non-parentally-raised fry. If you know and trust the source of your fish, what difference does it make what everyone else does? You can trace the lineage of a particular fish back as far as you'd like, and make your own decision. If you don't know and trust your source, you're already taking all sorts of chances in buying the fish, probably the least of which is whether they were parentally-raised. If you're just generally opposed to screwing around with natural selection, quit breeding fish in an aquarium, period. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!