Re: ? about A. macmasteri

[kathy@thekrib.com]

Mike,

Thanks I knew it was someone who wrote it and as always can't remember
names worth a darn.  
Anyone hear anything more about this, I thought it was a great idea.

Kathy


On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Mike & Diane Wise wrote:

> Kathy,
> 
> It's Koslowski who wrote the article (Beiträge zur Unterscheidung von
> Apistogramma-Weibchen (Contributions to the differentiation of Apistogramma females), in
> Cichliden - Festschrift zum 25jährigen Jubiläum der DCG (Cichlids - Commemorative volume of
> the 25th anniversary of the DCG), 1996, p.204-217). His Group 9 he characterizes as species
> that (translation) "have a caudal peduncle spot, several  flank spots of which the lateral
> spot isn't especially predominant, dorsal spots, and a pectoral spot (A. macmasteri, A.
> viejita, A. hinge, A. hongsloi, A. guttata, A. sp. Rio Cairo, A. sp. Rotflecken, A. sp.
> Schwarzkehl, & A. sp. Rotpunkt (only some specimens)". So you see that Koslowski, like you,
> recognizes that only some A. sp. Rotpunkt females have this black spot at the base of the
> pectoral fin.
> 
> This was only a preliminary report. He planned on making a more extensive study on the
> subject. Does anyone know if he has written anything on it recently?
> 
> Mike Wise
> 
> kathy@thekrib.com wrote:
> 
> > Mike,
> >
> > I thought Kaycy's female fish looked like a rotpunkt female as well.  The
> > only thing she is missing is the black spot at the base of the pectoral
> > fin.  I thought on Kullander's (I think it was Kullander who was doing the
> > series on IDing the female apisto's) article he divided the females into a
> > group with the black spot at the base of the pectoral and this was a way
> > of separating rotpunkt from other groups.  Is this a variable finding?  I
> > seem to have found it on most of the rotpunk/swartzsaum etc, I have seen.
> > This female does not have it but she sure looks like a rotpunkt.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Kathy
> >
> > On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, Mike & Diane Wise wrote:
> > >
> > > > I still don't know about the macmasteri though. But, the female I have
> > > > on the site at:
> > > > http://WWW.CALWEB.COM/users/d/djhanson/macma.htm
> > > >
> > > > according to the markings looks like a female rotpunkt. Does it to you?
> > > > I'm looking at the female across from the male I pointed out above. 3rd
> > > > down on the right on page 66.
> > >
> > > Yes, your "macmasteri" female is definitely a Rotpunkt female. Note that she does not
> > > have any ventral stripe or patch. All macmasteri-group females show some black
> > > pigmentation somewhere between the anus and the chin. Some rare female Rotpunkt
> > > females will show this, too, like the one you mention in aqualog. She can easily be
> > > separated from macmasteri-group females by the irregular shape of her caudal peduncal
> > > spot.
> >
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