I think that the "ideal" would be to let the parents care for the fry, but there are valid reasons to take the eggs/fry. I agree with Big John that when raising fish to sell as a way to support your hobby it's ok to intervene. Some fish just will not raise their young. I don't see this as a black and white situation. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!