>> Source: >> I touched on the non-availability concerning ... source. It seems that the >> wholesaler ... commonly combines unknowns and differing "lots" and locations >> without regard to tracking info. ... its accuracy would be very questionable >> ... > >Even so, knowing what was there would narrow down what & where these fish are and >come from. Trust me - I'm not the one withholding the info. I long ago realized the importance of this... >> The dorsal itself begins at the leading (front) edge of the 2nd vertical bar >> (discounting the orbital), the extension begins at the leading edge of the >> 5th, and the dorsal ends at the trailing edge of the 6th. > >What does this mean? It sounds like your describing the basal insertion of the >dorsal fin and the change from spines to rays in it. This is the same in all >apistos. Well, that might be a little difficult to determine on your own. 5 Apistos and no references, remember? The "correctness" of my terms may stem more from my interest in behavioral patterns and personalities than physiology and anatomical precision. Could you not spare just a little slack here - I am trying? <...Check the following web site and see if it is simiar to your >fish: http://www.thekrib/Apisto/A-sp-puerto narino.htm#0 Sorry, but I'd already determined that the closest match among Erik's photos were the set I'd pointed out. >If this isn't the fish, I'd suggest you give them a couple of month to mature and >try me again. Hope this helps. I have a camera - just looking for someone with a scanner that doesn't charge $10 per photo (I'd rather spend my limited resources on the fish). I intend to document them at various stages, etc. Once I have them, I could post them to the site and at least you could see the fish. Unless someone on the list is willing to scan - contact me directly with a snail-mail address and I'll provide the paper copies. >best wishes, > >Mike I realize how frustrating this can be for someone trying to help "in the blind". I appreciate the effort you've extended. -Y- David A. Youngker http://www.mindspring.com/~nestor10 nestor10@mindspring.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!