I posted a question about two weeks ago describing my difficuties acheiving a low ph in my 45 gallon tank. Based on responses to the list, I conducted an experiment where I placed various rocks and gravel in pie tins with disilled water then tracked the ph. Unfortunately I got no diffinative answers. As expected the distilled water by itself maintained a ph of about 6.0. The ph of the tins with other stuff in them were always higher. Most reached equilibrium between 6.8 and 7.2. However, the one with gravel went upt to 7.6. Further the one with gravel was the only one the bounced back to alkiline territory after I put ph Down in the pie tin. I am moving this weekend and can move my fish to a currently empty 20 gallon. I intend to replace the gravel in the 45 since it is the most likely suspect. Two days ago I bought some epoxy covered gravel made by Top Fin, I think. I put some in a pie tin, rinsed it with distilled water, then added some ph 6.0 distilled water to the tin. 24 hours later the ph of the tin was 7.2. Has anyone used epoxy covered gravel with success? I am not done with it yet, I am going to add ph Down to see if the ph bounces with the epoxy covered gravel. The other theme from the responses to the list was peat. I am thinking of augmenting my UGF w/powerheads with an externel canister filter like Fluval so I can use peat. Are these filters quiet? This is an important consideration. I presently get very nice filtration with the UGF and 35kg of gravel. Sould I replace the UGF or augment it? This is not a breeding tank. Also, I presently use only plastic plants. Thanks for any advice. Especially any ideas about why the ph rises in the pie tins containing more than distilled water. Paul Evans _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!