> -----Original Message----- > From: Helen Burns [mailto:hlnburns@thefree.net] > Two males and > 10 females if my memory serves me right. Shock, horror I > hear from the rest > of the list members. > Helen When recently tearing down my 60 gal Cacatuoides tank I counted 64 apistos of varying sizes. This tank has sustained a colony, beginning with two males and five females, for about three years. During this time I have taken out at least 100 apistos for friends, my LFS, etc. I have used piles of broken clay pots, lava rocks and coconut shells all overgrown with Java fern and Anubias. The rest of the tank was planted with swords and crypts and lots of oak leafs (always some floating plants as well). This gives hundreds of possible hiding places and spawning caves. Territories in a setup like this are smaller, and more shifting than with fewer fish and hiding places. I have had great pleasure from observing (what I believe) very natural cichlid behavior in this tank. > -----Original Message----- > From: Klaus Vancamelbeke > I read in A. Konings cichlidbook (the green one) > that cacatuoides only live 9 months, borellii gets > to two years average. One of my original females for the above mentioned tank is still alive. I think Cacatuoides is a fantastic fish for a dwarf beginner. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Laidlaw > > So, black neons make a good dither... They aren't very > > expensive here (under $1.5). I can get to white clouds > > too (Tanichthys alabonubes). Which one of both is the > > best (ie. eats less Apisto fry). > > Any fish will eat fry if they get the chance. Dithers are > not really needed for borellii or cacatuiodes if at all for > any apistos. I fully agree with Ken, especially if they are kept in harems. I use dithers primarily because I enjoy the show mom puts up when she protects her young. My experiences with black neons is that an average apisto female will have no problems defending a healthy spawn from them with only minor losses. If you set up a breeding tank with Cacatuoides or Borellii you problem will not be producing fry but to get rid of them later... Fredrik Nilsson ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!