Hi Gary I got to my Nijsseni to breed for the first time last August. I do have 3 pair. I did put the 3 pair`s in a 50 gallon community tank. (PH 6.5 and hardness 140 ppm) They did pair off, don`t know if they lay eggs or not??? I think they might off??? Once they pair off, I put two pair`s in two 15 gallon tanks and the other pair in a 10 gallon tank I do mix the R.O water with tap water 75% R.O I also lower the PH using Seachem Acid Buffer and also use Tetra Black Water Extact One pair I think did lay some eggs, but never saw any fry`s??? That the one in the 10 gallon . The other pair did spawn twice, less than 10 fry`s each time, but the other pair breed like rats ( just like my Triple Red) I do exactly the same thing in each tank and my tanks are set up the same way also. Just have Java Moss and a few plants. I leave the fry`s with the parent for 2 or 3 weeks, then I put them in a 5 gallon tanks with some Java Moss. I do a little water change every 2 days with tap water, I do lower the PH using Seachem Acid Buffer . Never even loss one fry`s yet. I have at least 100 Nijsseni right now, fry`s and very young adult My panduro I only got them to breed once, 8 fry`s, but I only had them for 3 months George > Hello, > I'll go out on a limb and say I figure the njisseni problem is njisseni. > It's not long since I saw a reference to the fish in an aquarium mag as > a 'mythical' apisto. I saw some wilds for a year or so, then captive > specimens usually from Czechslovakia, then nothing, at least locally. In > the last six months, I've picked up two wild morphs - a dull blue male > with good caudal colour with a female with no green spot, which was > mixed with some panduro, and (yesterday), a traditional njisseni with a > green spotted female and a stunning little male with bright yellow fins > and a lovely caudal. In breeding the first form, I found enough problems > to convince me njisseni will always be a problem apisto. > I don't have RO, and won't til I redo all the plumbing in my old house. > Right off, that makes njisseni tough, in maintenance of water quality. > Nothing happened except in very soft acid water. I then faced a steady > fry mortality as I had to add tap (pH 7.4, 140ppm). I did so gradually, > but. I now have a little group of squabbling juveniles (nine), with a > good sex ratio. The mother raised them for 2 weeks. > It's snowing like crazy here, so I'll have all the soft water I need for > a month or two, but these fish are a lot more work than cacatuoides or > borelli. They're worth it, but they'll always be a problematic creature. > When I first saw 'live' njisseni, I was told "breed them quickly before > they die of a bacterial disease". Unfortunately, when I've had breeding > pairs (three times), they've never lived more than 2 spawns, and the one > pair that made it to the second were captive bred. > I think we get spoiled by the bursts of availability of apistos like > njisseni. We're eventually going to have to become like the killie > crowd, and hunker down to keep our fish going for generations. That'll > be difficult... > -Gary > Ps Helen, what does "to a band playing" mean? I think I like it, but I > haven't heard the expression before. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!