>I don't remember if you ever mentioned how soft your water is, but until >you drop >you pH to around 5.5 and reduce you softness to almost 0 your female will >continue >to breed (her behaviors says she has eggs right now) but the eggs won't be >viable. >I'd recommend moving them to another tank since these water condition are not >really conducive to most plants. A 10 gallon tank may be a bit small, but >possible >if you keep an eye on the behavior of the fish and water conditions. yeah - my gh has been generally hovering around 4 degrees... ive been pondering the peat thing for a bit here. its just a matter of having an open tank at this point, and being able to work with it like that... *are* there plants thatll deal with ph that low, or am stuck with either a bunch of pots or bogwood and leaves? i had a 10g set up for a while with about a 4" layer of leaves on the bottom, and the ph was dropping nicely, but i couldnt find leaves that would stay together satisfactorily - the alder leaves that i have immediate access to just disintegrated into a mess after a few weeks... the major reason im dealing with 10s is cause i simply dont have the space to have a bunch of 20s around my room... i rent, so a fishroom just isnt in the picture right now, so im trying to make do with what ive got now that the whole fishkeeping bug has come around and bit me once again... guess its time to start up another couple tanks if theres enough left over from this weeks paycheck... :) right now, the saucer is still walled up, but shes left its confines overnight, but is keeping watch over it fairly vigorously, nothing like the filimentosus was a while back, but then, the eggs arent so exposed... if nothing else, im getting a pretty good idea of breeding behaviour... and this list has been chock full of helpful advice... thanks! -joel ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!