Hi Mike. I looked in the books I have and this is what I came up with.In the Aqualog page 33 picture s03505-3 is as close as I can get,but take the red off of the picture below and put it on the picture above and you will be really close to the fish I have. When I first got them I thought they were eunotus,but the larger they get I am not sure.The male is 2-2.5in. now.They are in spawning colors continualy.I think maybe someone that really didnt know what they were just slapped a name on them,really frustrating. I would say they are eunotus of some kind,but than I am no expert.I hope this helps. Vern. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!