Congrats Ken I wouldn't bother moving any of the fish out of the tank. Certainly the Bivs are no threat to the fry . Momma will take care of that. Is the male helping guard the eggs or is the female doing all the work? If the male is helping he's no threat either. Good luck, I really like that fish. With my soft tap water I should give them a go someday. Right now I'm still playing with alot of the west africans along with about 5 species of Apistos. That'll change this coming weekend though when I pick up another 4 or 5 species of Apistos. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!