Hello Kim Thanks for the info. Henry at Dad's also emailed me to let me know about the fish he got from Biotoope. There is also a picture of the fish in the November or December issue of TFH magazine in the New and Interesting Imports column that Oliver Lucanus writes and seeing as how he runs Biotope in Montreal I know what the fish reallly are now. Thanks for the spawning info. I've got 6 fish ranging from 2 inches down to 1 inch in length. Thanks again John Wubbolt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!