Hi to everyone Most of my breeding tanks I use fine gravel. Do have two tanks with very fine sand. One tanks I have .A. panduro and A ortmanni in (grow out tank) My other tank is a 10 gal with fine sand. The plants grow great with the sand. I`m breed A.cacatuoides triple reds The triple reds keep dieding in this tank. I checked the water, that fine. They do breed in this tank Already lost 3 pair`s. Plus lot of fry`s I did buy the sand from a LFS The do notice that the cacatuoides is always chewing on the sand and the sand is coming out of his gills Should I switch back to fine gravel and see what happen??? Thanks George ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!