David, I just pulled about 10 fry from my pair. These guys are truely beautiful in brood color, but have been a real challenge. I have had them spawn many times but, no survivors. I had them in a 20 long for a while with spawning being a regular activity but no fry. I attribute this to tank size mostly. When placed in a 70 I have seen fry but after many past losses, today I deceided to pull some and see if I can raise them myself. The tank is straight RO water filtered over Eheim peat in a canister. The temp is 27-28c, the bottom is completely covered with hygrophila difformis and pygmy chain sword which is not doing as well as before using peat, and lots and lots of that root wood . I do not have a ph meter and the reagent tests I have stop a PH of 5. With no buffer in the water I would guess it to be at a PH of 4 or so. The only tankmates that did not have to be rescued from this very territoral couple are a pair of A. nijessini and a pair of what would seem to be gay P. scalare. I have recently been pondering the behavioral effects if any of having too many plants with not enough open space in between them. If all you catch in the wild is juveniles in the thick plants, would it not stand to reason that the adult fish would be utilizing deeper water and structure to hide and spawn. My fry and juvenile fish tend to hang out in the thicker vegetation while the adults are always on the bottom around structure. Just a thought. Good luck, they really are worth the effort. Tim >From: David Sanchez <barbax2@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com >To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com >Subject: A.atahualpa 'sunset' & Laetacara sp.? >Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:38:22 -0700 (PDT) > > >I have just brought back some realy intresting little >fellows. They are a Laetacara sp. of sorts. I need >some help in Identifing them. They are very high >backed. They have a pronounced lateral spot with four >transversal bars after the lateral spot. They have >some bright turqouise stripes directly below the >lateral spot and lateral line. The most pronounced >feature is a very distinct marking on the operculem >directly behind the eye. It is a dark black horizontel >y shaped line with bright blue spots. The overall >color is a light yellow with lots of yellow in the >fins as well. (See crude illustration for a >description of the marking, the @ is the eye.) > [ @>--- ] >I have searched all my resources to no avail. Anyone >have any Ideas? > >I also picked some A.atahualpa 'sunset' I never really >thought much about them but they are very attractive. >Can anyone one share their experiences with them? >=== > >David Sanchez >Casselberry, FL >http://www.mindspring.com/~barbax >barbax2@yahoo.com >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. >For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, >email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. >Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!