To everyone who replied to my post "High light = Apisto shyness?", I thank you. The answers have been quite complete and [ahem] enLIGHTening. In this message I will attempt to address people's concerns. Please feel free to use criticism on any of my replies, and/or add to or correct things. Nearly all the replies to my question stated that I would have to do frequent, near- daily pruning of the plants to keep it looking aesthetically pleasing. I do realize there will be a lot to do. I ordered one giant hygro along with a few other fast-growers in order to quickly sap the water of nutrients -- this in hopes of not allowing alga to gain control (my greatest fear thus far). I had to order my plants mail-order from Arizona Aquatic Gardens, so I plan that there will be a few plants that must drop their leaves before growing again due to stressful shipping conditions. However, once they do get going, I am ready to prune daily... especially the fast-growers. Later on, I plan on getting rid of the super-fast growing plants to replace them with slower growing beauties... thus taking care of a few problems. Yeah, I will still have to snip regularly, but luckily, I will be able to find homes for the snippings quite easily.... to some degree. I will be able to get rid of many at my LFS, but some will have to be either transferred or thrown out. Example: I have some Java Moss to root to some driftwood which I'm sure will be coming out in daily handfuls. I don't think pruning will be a problem, as I am not afraid of getting my arms wet. My only setback would be if the Apisto's spawn. After a quite alarming bite from an angry Betta, I am now fearful of fish bites :-) Alex Pastor had some very good thoughts about potential water chemistry problems. He stated "...unless you have CO2 and if you plan to keep lots of plants, your pH is going to start bouncing around at some point when all the dissolved CO2 is used up and the kH starts to drop." I totally agree with Alex. I had actually thought of this before. I am not planning on having CO2 injection, since I refuse to spend that much money on a "real" unit and the 2-liter bottle method has always caused me problems. Luckily, I have purchased a canister filter for the tank so as to preserve CO2 to some degree. Still, I realize that Dwarf Cichlids are no Zebra Danio when it comes to water parameter tolerance. With the amount of plants I ordered and a low fish-load, CO2 will be quickly exhausted and carbonates will begin to be converted via the plants. Since most Dwarfs need very soft water, this action would quickly obliterate a soft-water buffering capacity. The natural biological process, along with the slow release of tannic acids into the water via the three pieces of driftwood I have in the tank would cause problems. Horrible pH crashes would certainly occur, killing any unsuspecting Apisto. But what if I could get around this? I believe I can. I chose to house only Apistogramma cacatuoides in this particular tank. This species of Apisto is more tolerant of water parameters than most other Dwarfs. A. cacatuoides also comes from the silty waters of Northwestern South America, near Rio Ucayali which is between Quito and Lima. The water there has a pH of 7.6, a GH of 12* dH and a kH of 14*. It was reported in Linke and Staecke's book American Cichlids 1: Dwarf Cichlids that, "The question of water-quality is of special interest. So far, the opinion was predominant that soft and acidic water would be advantageous for an optimal husbandry of these fish. Examination of their natural habitats however confirmed the presumption that soft to mod- erately hard, neutral to slightly alkaline water are more suitable for a successful long-term keeping." I have the pH in the tank set at 7.3 - 7.5, and a GH and kH nearly matching A. cacatuoides' natural habitat (although a little lower). When CO2 is low, the water will have enough buffering in it to keep the pH quite stable despite the plants for a period of time. Most fish don't die due to a slow decrease in water hardness, so I am taking a gamble on assuming that this Apisto will be no exception. I plan on doing a 25% water change every three to four days. I think this frequency should be enough to keep the hardness parameters within a safe enough range to prevent pH drift and pH crashes. Do you agree? Note for the concerned: I am able to monitor pH closely thanks to a digital pH checker. Most Apistogramma love to hide. However, as some said, if there is sufficient cover, they can be quite gregarious and will even come out. One person reported a loss of shyness due to an abundance of floating plants. This does not surprise me, because in reading a few books, I have found them to state that, while aquatic plants are scarce, overhanging and floating plants are found readily in some places. Apistogramma can be found regularly here... swimming among roots and stems. I don't know who, but I remember a list member reporting catching them in an area like this. I have thus decided to let the plants in the "open swimming area" of the tank grow to overhang and shade this area for the good of the good ole' Cockatoos. Don't worry... I'll find a way to make it look good. I have a lot of good tricks up my sleeve from studying various tank aquascapes and biotopes designs. Thanks everyone, for your input. Oh, and Alex: I will certainly tell you if the light housing melts or cracks due to the bulbs. I do not expect this, however, since most likely Perfecto got the bulbs before the hoods, and probably designed it with the bulbs in mind. You don't see Halogen fixtures with Nylon lampshades, do you? Then again, there are a lot of shoddy products in the aquarium industry. I will surely report on the tank regularly. Thanks all, -- Derek Wingert dwingert@MNIC.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!