Hi, a few years ago i was suprised to see lots of A. panduro eggs scattered on the bottom of a tank without gravel. They hatched and the female raised them with no problems, the male stayed with them, and there were older fry in the tank as well. The 2 articles are on the Krib if you want to read them. dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!