I am sharing a very small three-bedroom duplex with four kids, so I have found my bedroom doing double duty as a fish room. I bought a Penn Plax XP5 pump because it claimed to be "ultra quiet". Well, the actual "pump" part is quiet enough, but the vibration of the armature swinging in response to the AC fluctuations in the electro-magnetic coil manages to make just as much noise as any I have tried. Now I notice that they all claim to be "ultra quiet", a phrase vague enough to avoid lawsuits. Since they no longer make "Silent Giants", which were literally silent, I can't seem to find a good, quiet, pump. Without going all the way to a blower, has anyone bought a pump that surprized them with its noise level? Bob Dixon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!