Mike If you could imagine one spawn where I had 4 males and 96 females. No sleeper males there. These were fish that were at least 7 to 8 months old and spawning in the grow out tank. I brought 5 bags of 8 or more females to one auction just to get rid of some of them. Of course this was my worst sex ratio spawn ever. John W ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!