John, I've had excellent luck with three females and one male (no dithers) in a fifteen gallon tank. It's an odd shape, probably about the same surface area as a twenty long. The females protect the eggs and young so well that I eventually stopped pulling out any adults or young until they absolutely needed more space. The water was straight rain water, problably close enough to RO in most respects. I filled the bottom of the tank with oak leaves, and that's usually where they laid the eggs. Just make sure there's plenty of cover and do LOTS of water changes. Hope this was some help Take Care Don -----Original Message----- From: John Wubbolt <BigJohnW@webtv.net> To: Apisto@admin.listbox.com <Apisto@admin.listbox.com> Date: Saturday, July 17, 1999 6:04 AM Subject: Dicrossus Maculatus I was looking for peoples opinions on what they thought was the best size tank to use for breeding Dicrossus Maculatus. I presently have them in a 20 gallon long and thought that this might not be big enough for them to feel really comfortable to spawn in. Also what do most people feel is optimum water conditons for spawning purposes regards to pH, temperature and water hardness? I have a beautiful pair and wanted to give them the best conditions I can in order to get them to spawn. Any information would be muchly appreciated. Does anyone have any suggestions for the perfect dither fish? I thought about using some cardinal tetras? Also what about Corys? Thanks John Wubbolt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!