The fish we recently collected in Venezuela have settled down and some observations have been made. We collected what we have thought were A. hoignei from four different sites. Three from the south of the Orinoco River and one site north of the Orinoco. The males look similar to each other except some sites had fish more colorful than other sites. And as is common in this species some caudal fins are more red and others more blue. Some have red edging on the caudal and others edged with black. The females are different. The fish collected on the north of the Orinoco have in their breeding colors the black chin and throat as seen in Linke and Staeck's book in their discription and picture of the female A. viejita form III. The females from south of the Orinoco lack this marking. The elongate fish we found near Piacoa looks in general like A. meinkeni. In details it is different. This new fish occasionally shows vestiges of transverse bars. It also has dark pigmentation on the first few anterior spines of the dorsal fin. It will often show 2 faint abdominal stripes. The caudal spot is not a blotch as seen in A. meinkeni but rather is a well defined rectangle. The sexes are very difficult to differentiate. The brooding color of the female is the usual bright yellow with a small central spot. The ventrals are black as in other apistos but not as prominent. This is to point out the differences between the description of A. meinkeni in Linke and Staeck and the fish we found. Any help in identification would be appreciated. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!