I have to agree on the aggression level of the Atahualpa's. I tried a trio in a 20 long with lots of flower pots, Java Moss and a few Java ferns. The male staked out the middle flower pot and tore apart one of the females. After adding a trio of Diamond Tetras it gave the male something to chase instead of killing the other female. The male is now around 3 Inches long and nasty. I really don't ever expect this pair to spawn. I also found out ( I should say she found out) that trios of Panduro's don't work well for me. The second female didn't last very long when they were all placed in a tank by themselves. Thank god I rescued her and she's now doing fine in my lonely hearts club tank. Chinese Algae eaters don't even have a place in any tanks in my home. First off they really don't eat any algae, they like meat it seems. I've seen way too many larger fish in shops terrorizing smaller fish. When will shop keepers learn this really isn't a community fish and shouldn't be sold as one. So to avoid the so called fin rot, avoid CAE's all together, Don't keep Atalhaulpas in a small tank and only pairs of Panduro in anything less then a 15 gallon tank. This is my 2 bits worth of info. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!