Hello again, > I've just spawned my P taeniatus moliwe pair with part of their > precedent brood in the tank. I won't do this again, because the > juveniles are the most efficient predators of their little bros and > sisters. They share the same part of the tank, darting off whem the > parents chase them, but their's allways a little one sneaking and > lurking. The other dithers are A australe, D rerio, H axelrodi, and they > are very well put under control by the parents. Following the thread. The dithers were not under control ! I wrote that the P taeniatus had learned, sure they did, but the dithers learned too. learned to become the predators that they were not for the precedent spawn. I think that the best one were the cardinalis, a dozen "flying" 10 cm above mum and the fry. When she was daching against one or another of them, there was one which dived with a very acute targeting speed to grab a little one. I saw the last of them caught this way. Poor mum! I had a few thoughts to tell about this episode. 1/ Dithers are potential predators, especially if the parents are not able to "destroy" them. My Moliwe parents never killed any other fish. 2/ I probably missed leaf coverage of the ground for my taeniatus pair. For the first spawn they had a better plant coverage separating the upper water and the ground. this time i managed for aesthetic purpose to make a "beach" of sand in the middle of the tank, the pair had often their fry herded on the beach and they were of course in good eye sight of unwelcomed hungry dithers. 3/ I was imagining a solution for the next hatch, without taking the cardinalis of the tank. I read that (i think it had been done with some apistos) it was possible to explantate (i mean the "t") mother and very young fry in another tank, catching all of them in their spawning cave. As i have coconuts with a lone 2cm diameter hole for caves, i was thinking it might be possible to take the coconut with female guarding inside and young fry or old eggs too, to rear them in another tank without dithers. Does anybody around the AML have any experience or opinion with this tactical spawnfare ? Colin DUJARDIN Please excuse my continental english :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, firstname.lastname@example.org. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email email@example.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!