Hello Daryl Well how to start. I've kept and spawned Panduro's for about the past 3 years now, back when they were sp Pandurini ( still like that name better). I also keep Nijsenni. As you have mentioned they are similar looking and I have found them to be similar in spawning requirements. I've read where you had to keep Nijsenni in very acid water (pH of 5.5) to get them to spawn. I guess I was lucky because both species have spawned and raised fry in water with a pH of 6.8 or closer to 7.0. My tap water varies ever so slightly depending on season and weather activities of the recent past. It also has a hardness of 60ppm. On the soft but not extremely soft range. I mainly used bare bottom 10 gallon tanks with 2 flower pots in the tank as a spawning tank. I also use Hydro Sponge filters in my tanks. For some reason with out the current of the power filters I used to use, the fish seem more comfortable. Anyways, I condition my fish with baby brine shrimp everyday, tetra bits ( now called color bits, sorry but old habits are hard to change) I also use frozen blood worms and mosquito larvae (frozen, don't like having the live things start flying around in the house, but live ones are better foods) used to feed live black worms but don't use them anymore. Either way a good varied diet with live once a day and prepared foods once a day kept my fish in great spawning condition. I have found that both species do better in pairs then trios or groups. Have had a few non dominant females end up dead or darn near to it. Not much else I could think of, oh temperature in my tanks for these guys were right around 78 - 80F. Other then that, can't think of anything else. Hope this helps. Both species were/are good parents. John Wubbolt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!