Re: Blue Ram deaths, Suggestions?

["S. Bunch" <sherryb@hpcisp.com>]

I'm really afraid that you're right. I do have high hopes of getting some
decent Rams from this LFS though. Although I wouldn't buy them, he said his
supplier talked him into taking on some "long-finned, balloon belly" rams.
They don't really look so bad, but something just doesn't seem right about
the balloon belly types of fish as far as I'm concerned. But, he has had
these for about two months now, raising them from about 1/2", and they seem
to be perfectly healthy. These were from the same supplier that he's
planning on getting mine from. So maybe I can get some healthy fish. If I
don't do well with these, then I will give up on them and try something
else..., maybe. The challenge of raising and breeding these Blue Rams is
about to get the best of me over my common sense. ;-)

Sherry

P.S.: Sounds like you've had some pretty bad experiences with these too! :(

----- Original Message -----
From: Frauley/Elson <fraulels@minet.ca>
To: <apisto@admin.listbox.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Blue Ram deaths, Suggestions?


: S. Bunch wrote:
: Between me and all of the
: > replies I got on the mail-list, we've diagnosed Ich and Hexamitas, but
I'm
: > still not sure about the cause of the deaths of a couple of them that
showed
: > no signs of either except for heavy breathing before they died.
:
: Hi,
: I've been watching this thread without great interest, but with a lot of
: sympathy. Why?  Because sick rams are a regular feature of the list.
: My read may be off topic, but I view rams as very expensive cichlids.
: You have to buy them many times to get healthy specimens. If purchased
: healthy, and maintained with care, rams survive and breed. If ill from
: shipping and probably from growing up in an antibiotic soup in
: Singapore, they are doomed. Most rams die in their first month in your
: tanks.
: I don't think this thread really diagnosed anything but secondary
: symptoms, except that like most everyone else in North America, you got
: lousy rams. Wilds are still rare, and breeders are few.
: One local shop stopped carrying rams for a while, because they were
: losing most of what they imported while they quarantined it. They
: switched to selling Apistogramma borelli for a few months, and it worked
: out well until demands for rams took them back to their imports from
: Singapore.
: I'd look for altispinosa or A. borelli, until you find a ram breeder,
: maybe even on this list. If they ever start shipping rams like they do
: discus, we'll get survivors, but they are, sadly, an expendable cheap
: fish that is expended in a big way in the trade.
: Gary (ram-free for six months - one day at a time...)
:
:
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