I've read the other posts so far, and I would make the following comments. As always, YMMV Sherry writes: <snip>> Plans for new fish: > Use different tank to keep from infection from last batch. If it was ich, it won't matter. Ich is everywhere, and is opportunistic in it's appearance. If it was something else, then this is probably wise. > Dose with ich med. immediately after acclimation. > Feed antibiotic food as before. Abuse of anti-biotics leads to anti-biotics that don't work. I would avoid using the ich medication without a reason. Since rams like warm water (85º-87ºF) and ich fades away in this range, that is a better approach than just dumping it in there just in case. IMHO medicated foods aimed at parasites are more appropriate than those for bacteria when quarantining new fish. > Water changes as before. That water change schedule was pretty aggressive, and may have contributed to the stress the fish were experiencing, and which tend to give opportunistic infections the opportunity they need. > Keep PH approx. 6.0 That sounds okay. I would advise you try to otain juvenuile specimens from a local breeder/club auction. They will be less stressed from shipping and will certainly not be the low-quality stuff that often comes from Asia. Bob Dixon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!