I know this will freak out alot of people, it did me when I first heard about it. However...it works great! I no longer acclimate my new arrivals the conventional way of slowly adding water. I do float the bag to equalize temp. I then add a good amount of "NovAqua" to the bag (about 2 tsp or so) with the fish and 1 tsp/10 gallons to the tank the fish are to be placed (per directions on the bottle). I then dump the bag of fish into a net, allowing the old water to drain away, and then gently place the fish in the new tank. This has worked for apsistos, killies, corrys and assorted tetras and rasboras. The point is pH is not as important as hardness when it comes to stressing fish (ie shock). I am posting this mainly for Francine and Sherry but any one can try this...it really works! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!