well, the bond was broken. this morning i noticed that the tetras were no longer being herded into one corner and that the thayeri pair was moving around as they do normally. i guess the stress of guarding the fry proved to be too much for them and they decided to give it up. unfortunately i don't have breeding tanks due to space. i only keep community tanks. i might give my pair away as i find them too big to keep. oh well. tsuh yang chen, nyc, USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!