i came home tonight and they were chasing fish away again. i look over (this time i'm paying more attention) and there they are: eggs on top of a big flat pebble. the female stands guard over them, frozen... it's amazing. the male runs around and sometimes he spells her but mostly it's she who stands over them. i had happened to buy some new Hoplosternum cats today (i know, i know, but i keep community tanks... i don't think of them as breeder tanks...). one confused newcomer couldn't figure which corner to stand and got harassed a lot by the pair. let's hope this time, they'll raise the fry to adulthood... btw, i also got 2 transparent knifefish (Eigenmmania virescens). they are in a separate tank. has anyone here ever had any luck with gymnotids? i have not had much luck with them in the past but this time i'm determined to not forget live foods for them. please advise, i figure there's lots of south american fish enthusiasts here. tsuh yang chen, nyc, USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!