Connie: I can't cut and paste with this java ssh client I use to read this account from work, but it's Misgurnus anguilicaudatus, the dojo or weather loach. there's a wikipedia page. Shamus On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Connie Carlson wrote: > Again, please excuse my ignorance, but what exactly are Do Jos?? Can someone > post a link to fishlore/fishgeeks/fishbase or throw out the scientific name > so I can look them up? All this talk about them has me mighty curious. > > Thanks! > Connie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Trish<mailto:snips36@yahoo.com> > To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member > chat<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish compatibility > > > > > http://www.fishlore.com/Profiles-Corydoras.htm<http://www.fishlore.com/Profiles-Corydoras.htm> > > I found this web site about temp for Corys....My Goldfish tank is around 70 > or so in winter months with no heat. and of course warmer in summer, about 74 > or so...The corys are fine. > > Your right Do Jos almost seem bullet proof.....and as cute as anything!!! > Gotta love their faces! > > Trish > > --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Kypros Hostetter > <Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu<mailto:Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu>> wrote: > > > From: Kypros Hostetter > <Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu<mailto:Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu>> > > Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish compatibility > > To: "Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat" > <gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com>> > > Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 8:57 AM > > Trish wrote: > > > Shamus- > > > > > > If the gravel is smooth then the Cories, and Do Jos > > would be fine. They would make a good clean up crew with > > the food which makes it to the bottom....The Do Jos like to > > bury themselves, and just have their heads poking out, its > > very cute. I have sand as substrate, but have kept them > > with gravel as well, and they were fine. But they prefer > > the sand. The Goldfish is fine with either, and picks at > > both.... > > > > > > Yes the cories are tropical, but they can withstand > > being without heat...my tanks stay at about 70 in the > > winter, and warmer in the summer, so temp wise they are > > fine.... Do Jos as well as Goldfish can go much > > colder..... > > > > > > OH and as to salt,its fine with the Goldfish, Do Jos, > > and the Cories....I have been using salt for years...great > > preventative, for diseases....I use salt on all my tanks. > > > > > > I would add the Do Jos and Cories, before adding > > another Goldfish. > > > > > > At least she did take the larger tank, this will help > > alot. Now just hope she keeps up on water changes.....this > > is the key, water changes, make for healthy and happy > > fishies.... > > > > > > Trish > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Shamus Young > > <machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> From: Shamus Young <machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com>> > > >> Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish compatibility > > >> To: "Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member > > chat" <gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com>> > > >> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 8:22 PM > > >> Thanks to all who responded. > > >> > > >> I don't think there's any chance of > > getting a > > >> larger tank. It took enough > > >> cajoling to get her to take a free 20g tank to > > move the > > >> fish out of it's > > >> 3g. > > >> > > >> I look at this more as damage control than > > advising her on > > >> the perfect > > >> goldfish setup. The fish is in a better home. > > If she > > >> wants companions > > >> and is set on getting them, then steer her towards > > fish > > >> that are actually > > >> compatible. > > >> > > >> I'll push the zebras over white clouds. > > I'm a > > >> little reluctant to push > > >> corys, since I've always thought of them as > > tropical. > > >> I also seem to > > >> recall that she's got standard aquarium gravel > > in > > >> there, and IIRC, you > > >> want a fine substrate with Corys so they don't > > damage > > >> their barbels on > > >> the gravel. I'll confirm the substrate > > compatibility > > >> before I push > > >> loaches or corys. > > >> > > >> Has anyone tried mosquito fish? The cold water > > livebearer? > > >> it sounds > > >> like they might move too slow. I guess there > > would be > > >> concerns about salt > > >> content of the water. I don't know what > > goldfish like > > >> regarding salt, but > > >> from back in the dark ages when I raised > > livebearers, I > > >> added salt. > > >> > > >> Shamus > > >> > > >> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Trish wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>> Hi Shamus- > > >>> > > >>> I have goldfish, in a 55 gallon now. And with > > them, I > > >>> > > >> keep the weather > > >> > > >>> loaches, and also some cories....with no > > heater, all > > >>> > > >> get along just > > >> > > >>> fine, and have been together in different > > tanks > > >>> > > >> through about 5 years > > >> > > >>> now....started smaller of course, as small as > > a 5 > > >>> > > >> gallon with the > > >> > > >>> goldies, and up to a 30 long, with weater > > loaches, and > > >>> > > >> now to the 55 > > >> > > >>> gal.....I have 6 long finned goldies, and I > > think 5 > > >>> > > >> weather loaches, > > >> > > >>> along with 5 or 6 cories......Goldfish are > > quiet > > >>> > > >> dirty, so have 2 > > >> > > >>> filters on this tank, a submersable fluval, > > and also a > > >>> > > >> magnum canister > > >> > > >>> filter.....so good filteration is a must with > > >>> > > >> goldies..... > > >> > > >>> Now with your friend, she has a 20 gal with 1 > > golfish, > > >>> > > >> they say goldies > > >> > > >>> need about 10 gal per fish, so she COULD add > > another, > > >>> > > >> but given since > > >> > > >>> she tried that already, and the one killed it, > > maybe > > >>> > > >> adding another > > >> > > >>> wouldnt be good.....she could add say 2 or 3 > > common Do > > >>> > > >> Jo's {weather > > >> > > >>> loach}, and say 4 cories, this would be about > > >>> > > >> it.....BUT to keep in mind > > >> > > >>> a larger tank for the future. The Do Jos like > > to be in > > >>> > > >> groups, the more > > >> > > >>> the better, as well as the cories...no less > > than 3 I > > >>> > > >> would guess.....The > > >> > > >>> green cories, seem to do the best with the > > colder > > >>> > > >> water.....from what I > > >> > > >>> have experienced....I have several other > > types, but > > >>> > > >> the green seem to > > >> > > >>> adapt the best. > > >>> > > >>> Any other question feel free to ask!! > > >>> > > >>> Trish > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Shamus Young > > >>> > > >> <machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com>> wrote: > > >> > > >>>> From: Shamus Young > > <machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com>> > > >>>> Subject: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish > > compatibility > > >>>> To: "Greater Seattle Aquarium Society > > member > > >>>> > > >> chat" <gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com>> > > >> > > >>>> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 12:12 AM > > >>>> Howdy: > > >>>> > > >>>> I've got a friend who inherited a > > goldfish in > > >>>> > > >> a small > > >> > > >>>> tank, circa 3 gal. > > >>>> She's accquired a 20 gallon tank with > > an > > >>>> > > >> eclipse hood, > > >> > > >>>> and moved it into > > >>>> that, which is a positive step. It's > > about > > >>>> > > >> 3" > > >> > > >>>> now. I don't think it's a > > >>>> special type. No long fins or weird eye > > things, > > >>>> > > >> but I > > >> > > >>>> don't know > > >>>> goldfish. To me, it looks like a large > > feeder > > >>>> > > >> goldfish. > > >> > > >>>> There's nothing > > >>>> in there now but a few decorations. She > > tried to > > >>>> > > >> introduce > > >> > > >>>> another > > >>>> goldfish, but the one she has killed it. > > >>>> > > >>>> She wants to add companions. I've > > pointed > > >>>> > > >> out the > > >> > > >>>> temperature thing, and > > >>>> I know a few cold water fish like white > > clouds > > >>>> > > >> and zebra > > >> > > >>>> danios, but don't > > >>>> know if they are actually compatible with > > >>>> > > >> goldfish. The > > >> > > >>>> one article on > > >>>> goldfish on the krib didn't really > > talk about > > >>>> companions, and I got mixed > > >>>> messages about it by just googling it (go > > >>>> > > >> figure). One > > >> > > >>>> site recommends > > >>>> zebra danios. The other says that they > > will > > >>>> > > >> out-compete > > >> > > >>>> the goldfish for > > >>>> food. Another site recommended weather > > loaches. > > >>>> > > >>>> She seems determined to put some > > companions in > > >>>> > > >> there. In > > >> > > >>>> an attempt to > > >>>> avoid trial and error and get an informed > > >>>> > > >> opinion, I'm > > >> > > >>>> asking the group > > >>>> for recommendations for goldfish > > companions. > > >>>> > > >>>> Any ideas? > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks, > > >>>> > > >>>> Shamus > > >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > > >>>> GSAS-Member mailing list > > >>>> GSAS-Member@thekrib.com<mailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >> > > > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member<http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > >>> GSAS-Member mailing list > > >>> GSAS-Member@thekrib.com<mailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com> > > >>> > > > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member<http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> GSAS-Member mailing list > > >> GSAS-Member@thekrib.com<mailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com> > > >> > > > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member<http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I myself would add the Dojo but not the cories. To me the > > temp would be > > on the low end for the cories, so if the fishkeeper is > > inexperienced, > > why not use Dojos. It is my experience that they are > > pretty much > > bulletproof. I have regular gravel, not fine sand and the > > dojos do fine. > > they do like a hiding space, but they are pretty tough and > > my dojo does > > not take any guff from the goldies at all. > > _______________________________________________ > > GSAS-Member mailing list > > GSAS-Member@thekrib.com<mailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com> > > > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member<http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member> > > > > _______________________________________________ > GSAS-Member mailing list > GSAS-Member@thekrib.com<mailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com> > > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member<http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member> > _______________________________________________ > GSAS-Member mailing list > GSAS-Member@thekrib.com > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member > _______________________________________________ GSAS-Member mailing list GSAS-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member