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Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish compatibility



Connie:
I can't cut and paste with this java ssh client I use to read this account
from work, but it's
Misgurnus anguilicaudatus, the dojo or weather loach.
there's a wikipedia page.

Shamus



On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Connie Carlson wrote:

> Again, please excuse my ignorance, but what exactly are Do Jos??  Can someone 
> post a link to fishlore/fishgeeks/fishbase or throw out the scientific name 
> so I can look them up?  All this talk about them has me mighty curious.
>
> Thanks!
> Connie
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Trish<mailto:snips36@yahoo.com>
>   To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member 
> chat<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com>
>   Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:45 AM
>   Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish compatibility
>
>
>
>   
> http://www.fishlore.com/Profiles-Corydoras.htm<http://www.fishlore.com/Profiles-Corydoras.htm>
>
>   I found this web site about temp for Corys....My Goldfish tank is around 70 
> or so in winter months with no heat. and of course warmer in summer, about 74 
> or so...The corys are fine.
>
>   Your right Do Jos almost seem bullet proof.....and as cute as anything!!! 
> Gotta love their faces!
>
>   Trish
>
>   --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Kypros Hostetter 
> <Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu<mailto:Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu>> wrote:
>
>   > From: Kypros Hostetter 
> <Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu<mailto:Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu>>
>   > Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish compatibility
>   > To: "Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat" 
> <gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com>>
>   > Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 8:57 AM
>   > Trish wrote:
>   > > Shamus-
>   > >
>   > > If the gravel is smooth then the Cories, and Do Jos
>   > would be fine. They would make a good clean up crew with
>   > the food which makes it to the bottom....The Do Jos like to
>   > bury themselves, and just have their heads poking out, its
>   > very cute. I have sand as substrate, but have kept them
>   > with gravel as well, and they were fine. But they prefer
>   > the sand. The Goldfish is fine with either, and picks at
>   > both....
>   > >
>   > > Yes the cories are tropical, but they can withstand
>   > being without heat...my tanks stay at about 70 in the
>   > winter, and warmer in the summer, so temp wise they are
>   > fine....  Do Jos as well as Goldfish can go much
>   > colder.....
>   > >
>   > > OH and as to salt,its fine with the Goldfish, Do Jos,
>   > and the Cories....I have been using salt for years...great
>   > preventative, for diseases....I use salt on all my tanks.
>   > >
>   > > I would add the Do Jos and Cories, before adding
>   > another Goldfish.
>   > >
>   > > At least she did take the larger tank, this will help
>   > alot. Now just hope she keeps up on water changes.....this
>   > is the key, water changes, make for healthy  and happy
>   > fishies....
>   > >
>   > > Trish
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Shamus Young
>   > <machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com>> wrote:
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >> From: Shamus Young <machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com>>
>   > >> Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish compatibility
>   > >> To: "Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member
>   > chat" <gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com>>
>   > >> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 8:22 PM
>   > >> Thanks to all who responded.
>   > >>
>   > >> I don't think there's any chance of
>   > getting a
>   > >> larger tank. It took enough
>   > >> cajoling to get her to take a free 20g tank to
>   > move the
>   > >> fish out of it's
>   > >> 3g.
>   > >>
>   > >> I look at this more as damage control than
>   > advising her on
>   > >> the perfect
>   > >> goldfish setup.  The fish is in a better home.
>   > If she
>   > >> wants companions
>   > >> and is set on getting them, then steer her towards
>   > fish
>   > >> that are actually
>   > >> compatible.
>   > >>
>   > >> I'll push the zebras over white clouds.
>   > I'm a
>   > >> little reluctant to push
>   > >> corys, since I've always thought of them as
>   > tropical.
>   > >> I also seem to
>   > >> recall that she's got standard aquarium gravel
>   > in
>   > >> there, and IIRC, you
>   > >> want a fine substrate with Corys so they don't
>   > damage
>   > >> their barbels on
>   > >> the gravel.  I'll confirm the substrate
>   > compatibility
>   > >> before I push
>   > >> loaches or corys.
>   > >>
>   > >> Has anyone tried mosquito fish?  The cold water
>   > livebearer?
>   > >>  it sounds
>   > >> like they might move too slow.  I guess there
>   > would be
>   > >> concerns about salt
>   > >> content of the water.  I don't know what
>   > goldfish like
>   > >> regarding salt, but
>   > >> from back in the dark ages when I raised
>   > livebearers, I
>   > >> added salt.
>   > >>
>   > >> Shamus
>   > >>
>   > >> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Trish wrote:
>   > >>
>   > >>
>   > >>> Hi Shamus-
>   > >>>
>   > >>> I have goldfish, in a 55 gallon now. And with
>   > them, I
>   > >>>
>   > >> keep the weather
>   > >>
>   > >>> loaches, and also some cories....with no
>   > heater, all
>   > >>>
>   > >> get along just
>   > >>
>   > >>> fine, and have been together in different
>   > tanks
>   > >>>
>   > >> through about 5 years
>   > >>
>   > >>> now....started smaller of course, as small as
>   > a 5
>   > >>>
>   > >> gallon with the
>   > >>
>   > >>> goldies, and up to a 30 long, with weater
>   > loaches, and
>   > >>>
>   > >> now to the 55
>   > >>
>   > >>> gal.....I have 6 long finned goldies, and I
>   > think 5
>   > >>>
>   > >> weather loaches,
>   > >>
>   > >>> along with 5 or 6 cories......Goldfish are
>   > quiet
>   > >>>
>   > >> dirty, so have 2
>   > >>
>   > >>> filters on this tank, a submersable fluval,
>   > and also a
>   > >>>
>   > >> magnum canister
>   > >>
>   > >>> filter.....so good filteration is a must with
>   > >>>
>   > >> goldies.....
>   > >>
>   > >>> Now with your friend, she has a 20 gal with 1
>   > golfish,
>   > >>>
>   > >> they say goldies
>   > >>
>   > >>> need about 10 gal per fish, so she COULD add
>   > another,
>   > >>>
>   > >> but given since
>   > >>
>   > >>> she tried that already, and the one killed it,
>   > maybe
>   > >>>
>   > >> adding another
>   > >>
>   > >>> wouldnt be good.....she could add say 2 or 3
>   > common Do
>   > >>>
>   > >> Jo's {weather
>   > >>
>   > >>> loach}, and say 4 cories, this would be about
>   > >>>
>   > >> it.....BUT to keep in mind
>   > >>
>   > >>> a larger tank for the future. The Do Jos like
>   > to be in
>   > >>>
>   > >> groups, the more
>   > >>
>   > >>> the better, as well as the cories...no less
>   > than 3 I
>   > >>>
>   > >> would guess.....The
>   > >>
>   > >>> green cories, seem to do the best with the
>   > colder
>   > >>>
>   > >> water.....from what I
>   > >>
>   > >>> have experienced....I have several other
>   > types, but
>   > >>>
>   > >> the green seem to
>   > >>
>   > >>> adapt the best.
>   > >>>
>   > >>> Any other question feel free to ask!!
>   > >>>
>   > >>> Trish
>   > >>>
>   > >>>
>   > >>> --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Shamus Young
>   > >>>
>   > >> <machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com>> wrote:
>   > >>
>   > >>>> From: Shamus Young
>   > <machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com>>
>   > >>>> Subject: [GSAS-Member]  Goldfish
>   > compatibility
>   > >>>> To: "Greater Seattle Aquarium Society
>   > member
>   > >>>>
>   > >> chat" <gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com>>
>   > >>
>   > >>>> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 12:12 AM
>   > >>>> Howdy:
>   > >>>>
>   > >>>> I've got a friend who inherited a
>   > goldfish in
>   > >>>>
>   > >> a small
>   > >>
>   > >>>> tank, circa 3 gal.
>   > >>>> She's accquired a 20 gallon tank with
>   > an
>   > >>>>
>   > >> eclipse hood,
>   > >>
>   > >>>> and moved it into
>   > >>>> that, which is a positive step.  It's
>   > about
>   > >>>>
>   > >> 3"
>   > >>
>   > >>>> now.  I don't think it's a
>   > >>>> special type.  No long fins or weird eye
>   > things,
>   > >>>>
>   > >> but I
>   > >>
>   > >>>> don't know
>   > >>>> goldfish.  To me, it looks like a large
>   > feeder
>   > >>>>
>   > >> goldfish.
>   > >>
>   > >>>> There's nothing
>   > >>>> in there now but a few decorations.  She
>   > tried to
>   > >>>>
>   > >> introduce
>   > >>
>   > >>>> another
>   > >>>> goldfish, but the one she has killed it.
>   > >>>>
>   > >>>> She wants to add companions.  I've
>   > pointed
>   > >>>>
>   > >> out the
>   > >>
>   > >>>> temperature thing, and
>   > >>>> I know a few cold water fish like white
>   > clouds
>   > >>>>
>   > >> and zebra
>   > >>
>   > >>>> danios, but don't
>   > >>>> know if they are actually compatible with
>   > >>>>
>   > >> goldfish.  The
>   > >>
>   > >>>> one article on
>   > >>>> goldfish on the krib didn't really
>   > talk about
>   > >>>> companions, and I got mixed
>   > >>>> messages about it by just googling it (go
>   > >>>>
>   > >> figure).  One
>   > >>
>   > >>>> site recommends
>   > >>>> zebra danios.  The other says that they
>   > will
>   > >>>>
>   > >> out-compete
>   > >>
>   > >>>> the goldfish for
>   > >>>> food.  Another site recommended weather
>   > loaches.
>   > >>>>
>   > >>>> She seems determined to put some
>   > companions in
>   > >>>>
>   > >> there.  In
>   > >>
>   > >>>> an attempt to
>   > >>>> avoid trial and error and get an informed
>   > >>>>
>   > >> opinion, I'm
>   > >>
>   > >>>> asking the group
>   > >>>> for recommendations for goldfish
>   > companions.
>   > >>>>
>   > >>>> Any ideas?
>   > >>>>
>   > >>>> Thanks,
>   > >>>>
>   > >>>> Shamus
>   > >>>>
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>   > I myself would add the Dojo but not the cories. To me the
>   > temp would be
>   > on the low end for the cories, so if the fishkeeper is
>   > inexperienced,
>   > why not use Dojos.  It is my experience that they are
>   > pretty much
>   > bulletproof. I have regular gravel, not fine sand and the
>   > dojos do fine.
>   > they do like a hiding space, but they are pretty tough and
>   > my dojo does
>   > not take any guff from the goldies at all.
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