im sure u will find them one day. i had about 40 shrimps in my 450l tank wwith rams, botia loachs (big as sharks - cant remove them) and i hardly saw them - when i dismantled the tank a few day ago - i found them and a 4-5 baby ones - or stunted ones if they dont spawn in fresh water ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, please send mail to majordomo@thekrib.com with "Unsubscribe aga-member" in the body of the message. Archives of this list can be found at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-member/