I remember saying, a few weeks ago, that having no commercial side to the list was a good thing. Were I ripped off, I'd want to say it, but here's the problem: we aren't an organization. The killie clubs have a code of ethics, and if you violate it, you can't sell through the club. We have nothing like this, and no mechanisms to resolve such conflicts. Every person I've ever known who sold through the ACA got burned, repeatedly, as they seem to have a caveat emptor approach. There are a lot of people who let their cheapness overtake their respect for others. That has to hurt our hobby - we keep rare fish that are hard to get, but who wants all the trouble and expense of shipping to deadbeats? Anyway, I see no resolution. The list is relatively new. I've been digging through the archives, and it is already a rich source. As we get to know each other, we can build up the kind of network the killie crowd thrive in. We should warn our friends if we get ripped off, either as buyers or sellers, but we should keep it off the public list. You accuse me, I get a hotmail account with a new name, subscribe and then accuse you, and kaboom, we're all squabbling away like primitive ancestral regani types, or even, heaven help us, fighting like a tank of atahualpa.... Off the soapbox I go. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!