Chad, Could I enquire into the brand of bloodworms? Had they thawed and then been refrozen to your knowledge? I had always assumed that at least some brands of frozen bloodworms were safer than live foods certainly. Also, How long did it take for signs of illness to occur? Did you stop feeding these bad worms to the fish when the symptons first occured? I have been following this thread with interest and with no knowledge worth imparting to you. I am certainly sorry for your fish loss, but figure we could probably all learn from your misfortune... good karma for you in turn. Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!