From: "Christopher R Brightwell" Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 10:49 AM > ...Phosphate buffers shouldn't be stressful to the fish provided > that the aquarium is not overdosed. Yes, algae growth and > conductivity are certainly considerations. However, algae > growth can be curbed by maintaining a balance of good light, > carbon dioxide, and nutrients, as I'm sure you are aware. The > use of iron supplements, and even nitrogen supplements, can > often force plants to utilize excess phosphate in the water. This would most certainly be dependent upon the specific *goals* you have in mind for the tank itself. Considerations for intensively aquascaping a tank sometimes conflict with those whose intent is the husbandry of the fauna within. Even in a heavily-planted, "Dutch"-style tank, where the only fish maintained are those meant to compliment the scene, you cannot simply "force" the uptake of a specific nutrient merely by increasing the proportions of the others. The effect is achieved only if the other elements are present in quantities restrictive enough to have become growth-limiting factors. Nor does it become effective until enough light energy is absorbed to justify the increased uptake. All the way around - not just the excess element, but all of the others you've increased in order to bring the proportions back into "balance". Seems like a razor-fine strategy to me. If I have an excess of a single, controllable addition (which would seem to be the case if I choose the buffer), it doesn't make for an easy time to bring all other tank parameters in line with the self-inflicted wound. But hey, that's only one consideration. There's also a large proportion of the membership here that believe in bare or next-to-bare tanks for breeding, growout, etc. What will absorb the excess in this case? > ...As far as conductivity, that is a less easily remedied problem. > By starting the aquarium with RO or deionized water, you will > have very low conductivity to begin (depending on efficiency of > the unit). The amount of phosphate in the buffer will increase > TDS and conductivity, but as the phosphate is pulled out of > solution by plants and turned into cellular material, this > process will "reverse". Again, this is a very fine line to toe. And don't forget the other elements you've added in the attempt to balance out the nutritional soup. Phosphorus is only about the eleventh-most abundant element on earth. It's essential to tissue production, cellular activity, energy production, a key binder in genetic material - the list is quite extensive. Given its pervasive presence, it's not at all difficult to source within a tank. Nor is its addition a necessity to the tank's environment - the fish are fed, plants and animals die and life goes on in a tank, so phosphates are released and absorbed. Do I need it as a buffer? Not really. Using it entails more work - certainly not a very effective conservation or reduction in energy. Are there alternatives to it as a sub-neutral buffer? Certainly - and of course a combination of water changes and humics pop readily to mind. Is it more "natural" than its alternatives? Not at all - just check any collector's location data. Water goes sub-neutral just being *unbuffered* - the pH of "pure" water at atmospheric equilibrium is 5.6. The volume involved in a natural body of water, along with the presence of humics, pretty much keeps it there. In our closed ecosystem called the aquarium, the extreme level of relative biological activity is what drags down the pH. The Amazon removes accumulated wastes through dilution, we use a water change. But we can also combat it with plants. Essentially, though, it takes an active effort on our part to remove these wastes in some manner. Since these wastes are also the source of our acidity problem, we are simultaneously handling that headache. If water changes are an established part of your regimen, then pH control is also. Why add something that has to be a pain to remove, especially if you know you're just going to turn right around and remove it. And since it *is* the buffer, how do you justify the extra expenditure of just throwing it away? Excess discretionary income? Want something a little higher than 5.6? Add a little bicarb. Nature's primary pH control between 5.6 and 8.2 consists primarily of varying the ratios of CO2 to HCO3-. Since the CO2 is held at atmospheric equilibrium, it just becomes an easy matter of figuring out how much bicarb to add to pure, aerated water. This fact hasn't been missed by most of the major players in the commercial buffer field. Those more in tune with the desires and practices of the aquarium aficionado have moved to severely restrict or remove altogether the phosphate content of their product lines, opting instead for mixes of bicarbs and carbonates (pH dependent). And most hobbyists are slowly learning that you can't simply add a powder to hard, basic water and get the Rio Negro. Now if we could only get them to use a blend of *different* bicarbs so as to restrict the sodium input a little... -Y- David A. Youngker nestor10@mindspring.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!