Thanks John, for your tips. I have to say, though, that I was not intentionally using the chocolates as dithers. They were compatible tankmates at one time. I got the apistos as juveniles, and since tank condition requirements were similar, as well as temperament, they wound up housed in the same tank. It was quite unintentional that they still wound up in the same house while the apistos got to breeding age. I'll make sacrifices for the fish, but _not_ chocolate gouramis, (which I felt really bad about), who are probably one of the most peaceful fish that I've seen swimming in any of my tanks. Unfortunately, I can't get a hold of them anymore either, and now have 1, who's not very happy being without any others of his kind. Looks like moving the breeding pair to a tank of their own is in order. Thanks, Sylvia > Oh my god, you used Chocolate Gouramis as dither fish?? I can't get > any of them buggers up here and you're killing yours off to get your > apistos to spawn!! Just goes to show what we'll do for our fish. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!