Um Lets see how many lists do i belong to, quite a few Mr. Youngker. I get at least 100 emails a day, a little humour is good for the soul, if you have problems with , deal with it. I cant imagine being that rigid, and my last comment . Social Conventions?? I hope you dont mean things like the ACA convention, the AKA convention, The OCA Extravaganza, if it weren't for these "Social Conventions" lots of knowledge would never be passed on. I go to the AKA, ACA and often ALA ( livebearers ) conventions each year. I come home with many new species of fish each year from each of these conventions, too bad you dont JOIN us "Social" People at these events!!! Lastly , that Labyrinth list was a Joke, probably still is. There was NEVER any decent discussion about anabantoids, which is my other great love besides dwarf Cichlids. I have a great wealth of experience i could have shared with that group if anyone there had any life in them. I guess i was too Loose a personality for that list. I have vast experience i do offer here on this list, thank god Some of us here aren't so anal. John OH go ahead and flame away!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.