Like Scott said, one pair or trio is enough. A. sp. Redspot (Rotpunkt) is an excellent beginners-apisto, very "durable" and not so susceptible to beginner's mistakes. A. eunotus, cacatuoides and viejita are also real sturdy. Most caetei, regani and resticulosa-type apistos are also newbie-compatible (albeit not as colourful as the above mentioned). IMO borellis dont like your high temp, neither does the neons so try cardinals instead. What killies were you thinking of? /Fredrik ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.