Tom.................That is super interesting. Could you see any difference in the rams from the two sites? I've often wondered about the difference in the "German Blue Ram" that I think is more bull-doggish in body morph than what sometimes is brought in as wild rams. How far apart were the two different sites. What were the species of fish with them? How about the plants and ground cover of the two sites. How many did you bring back and how did they do? I really envy you the chance to see where the ram comes from...........let us know.....what a story! Mike Mike Jacobs Center for Advanced Technologies High School Math Instructor St. Pete, Fl. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Wilkinson" <ttwilki@mindspring.com> To: <apisto@listbox.com> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:09 PM Subject: Re: ram fry, sigh > > David > I thought I would chime in here about the natural biotope of rams. I have > collected rams in Venezuela on two seperate trips. At one site I caught > large rams that were in a slow moving stream, light brown clear water and > about 2-3 ft deep. The stream came out of a green meadow land and was > entering a forested area. The first year the pH was 6.4 and the hardness 90 > ppm. Two years later the same site had pH 6.7 hardness110 ppm and temp 30 > C. > The other collection site could not have been more different. The site was > an isolated pond in the middle of the savannah. Water was cloudy and > "white". No current and only 6" to 1 ft deep. Lots of small but intensly > colored rams. At this site the pH was 5.8 , hardness 30 ppm and temp 33 C. > Tom > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.