Re: N Taenia egg eating!

[David Sanchez <barbax2@yahoo.com>]

Colin the bottom line is you have to go with what
works for you. Sounds like we agree on allot of what
your doing anyway:) I just skip the CO2 part because
the fish, the food, decay organic matter etc all add
CO2 to a system and coupled with a low KH and low pH
in my opnion there is plenty of CO2 for the plants to
flourish. I just simply find it ludicris to say that
you have to have a CO2 system in an aquarium to have
good plant growth. I have seen countless lakes and
bodies of water that do not have CO2 injection.
Obviously mother nature has other ways for injecting
CO2 into a system. This I have explained in some of my
previous posts. It seems you are very successfull and
wise Colin and I am not in anyway attacking you just
restateing my conviction and why I do what I do. In
truth we hold to many of the same ideals to
fishkeeping from what you have said. We simply differ
on CO2 and guess what it's ok to disagree and we still
can both be successfull. The bottom line is this is a
hobby and we must enjoy it. Obviously we both do.

Dave Sanchez


--- Colin Gorton <mr_apisto@graffiti.net> wrote:
> My point about is that adding CO2 is that I want the
> plants to grow as fast as possible because then they
> work as filters and maintain the quality of the
> water. I have never had ANY ammonia or nitrates in
> my planted tanks and I'm convinced that the fish are
> happier. Without plants and CO2 I have stressed fish
> and more aggression. At present the only tanks I
> have that aren't planted are quarantine tanks and I
> have three stressed out fish (out of 40), for me
> that is too high a percentage but makes it easier to
> dose medication.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Sanchez <barbax2@yahoo.com>
> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:15:12 -0800 (PST)
> To: apisto@listbox.com
> Subject: Re: N Taenia egg eating!
> 
> 
> Re: Why are yoiu using a CO2 system if you have
> water with
> Re: oKH to begin with Colin? The lower the KH the
> higer
> Re: the CO2 level. AS long as you dont churn the
> water
> Re: with some power filter or something you should
> be
> Re: fine. I am not saying CO2 does not work I am
> just
> Re: saying with a KH of 0 the need fopr CO2 the need
> for
> Re: CO2 is far less greater. In addition Colin if
> you
> Re: aquaruim plants are thriving as you say they
> are, they
> Re: will also serve to maintain the pH. As they grow
> and
> Re: utilize more CO2 the pH will rise because they
> are
> Re: using more and more CO2 and thus there is less
> Re: available to form carbonic acid (which is used
> to by
> Re: the pH equation to form an acidic pH) This can
> be
> Re: illustarted by two examples. I have a good buddy
> who
> Re: has a lake on his property. The lake has a
> Re: counductivty of 70 us/cm, 0 DH, 0 KH, and a pH
> of 6.5.
> Re: My friend pumps this water to use for his tanks
> and
> Re: ponds. When the water is put in a 10 gallon
> barebottom
> Re: tank the water quickly drops to a pH of 5.5 or
> less.
> Re: In contrast if he puts the water in a heavily
> planted
> Re: tank the waters pH will be much higer as the
> plants
> Re: are using up the CO2. 
> Re: Another example is my well water counductivty of
> 15
> Re: us/cm or less 0 DH, 0 KH, and a pH of 4.5. When
> i add
> Re: this water to a heavy planted tank it rises very
> Re: quickly to a pH 6.7 in my main show tank that
> has 2
> Re: 175 watt MH and 2 power compacts. The plants are
> Re: cranking in that tank I throw a grocery store
> sized
> Re: plastic bag of plants away from that tank just
> about
> Re: every other week.
> Re: 
> Re: I will admit I have not tried this while
> injecting CO2
> Re: so do be carefull I wouldnt want you to kill
> your
> Re: fish. I just dont think you may need the CO2.
> And who
> Re: knows that 2 DH and you still havent checked the
> KH
> Re: may be what is holding you back from success
> with your
> Re: N.taenia. Good luck.
> Re: 
> Re: P.S. as far as the comment about the wrestling.
> Yes
> Re: you have started a flame war, gonn ahave to hit
> you
> Re: over the head with a chair or some foreign
> object :)
> Re: just kidding couldnt resist. Good luck. You are
> Re: corre3ct to spare everyone else we should just
> add to
> Re: the subject line the spam or what ever off topic
> Re: subject we are talking about. I think John did
> that
> Re: and I follwed that example. Good idea.
> Re: 
> Re: 
> Re: David Sanchez
> Re: 
> Re: 
> Re: 
> Re: 
> Re: 
> Re: 
> Re: 
> Re: --- Colin Gorton <mr_apisto@graffiti.net> wrote:
> Re: > I don't want to use pure RO as I'm adding CO2
> and
> Re: > want to be able to maintain a constant pH,
> which
> Re: > I've found to be easier with a small amount of
> Re: > hardness. I have a peat/black gravel substrate
> which
> Re: > tends to balance things up and allows the
> plants to
> Re: > do well. Unfortunately at the moment I've got
> rather
> Re: > a lot of algae on the glass but I don't want
> to do
> Re: > anything about it for the moment cause all the
> Re: > aquaria are still settling in after rebuilds
> around
> Re: > the Christmas period. Within a couple of
> months I'll
> Re: > have them all clean. BTW I'm using MH lights,
> some
> Re: > home made others shop bought. This allows me
> to have
> Re: > lots of floating plants, mostly Eichornia
> Chrasipes
> Re: > (water Hyacinth) but also lilies, Pistia
> Stratiotes
> Re: > (water lettuce) and several plants which are
> growing
> Re: > out of the water, feet in it.
> Re: > -- 
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> Re: > 
> Re: > C:-)lin
> Re: > 
> Re: > They said "Smile, things could be worse." So I
> Re: > smiled, and sure enough...
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