Kevin, Your "Nysante" is either a made up name or a botched spelling of 'nijsseni'. It doesn't sound like any location name that I've ever heard of. Both A. cacatuoides & A. bitaeniata have abdominal stripes. The broad abdominal stripe of A. bitaeniata comes & goes depending on mood. The abdominal stripes on A. cacatuoides are more distinct, forming 3-4 wavy stripes. On young fish with washed out colors (like in a bare dealer's tank), the lips of A. cacatuoides are much larger - nearly twice as thick - as those seen on the typical apisto (including A. bitaeniata). A. bitaeniata also has a metallic lip spot, seen of all agassizii group species, something not seen on A. cacatuoides. I hope this helps. Mike Wise kkorotev wrote: > OK. > If you've been holding your breath, you can stop. > "NY" are the first two letters of NYSANTE which is the ID on the LFS tank > for some wild Apistos...10 of which I brought home last week. Is it a > location? A made-up name? Does it really matter anymore? > > Upon investigation in Linke and Staeck's "American Cichlids I, DWARF > CICHLIDS" and the Aqualog poster of APISTOGRAMMA, I believe these fish to > be.... > (drum roll....) > young caucatoides (wild form, no orange whatsover) > or > young bitaeniata. > > So...can anyone give me a fool-proof way of differentiating? > (I think I know, but some of you are so much smarter about this than I'll > ever be) > > Kevin Korotev-Milwaukee > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.