Thanks Mike, putting the cave in the middle. I guess with my using clay pots most of the time I usually stick them in the corner. That does sound like a new approach to take. I use Java Moss now and my supply is starting to build. I actually keep some up in my planted tank upstairs to help it grow faster just so I can use it in my breeders. After telling you all that. I have two pairs of Aggies in a 30L with a divider. They were my first tanks and realized I over did it with the 30 L. I had no place else to put them. Their in there doing fine. One pair has a pot full of eggs and the other is looking pretty much like if they don't already have something they will soon. Both males are at each other at the divider but, that's okay it keeps them busy. Now I have cacatuoides in 10's that breed and are doing quite well. I had Borellii breed in 20 and Rio Mamore breed in 20 and I moved them both to a divided 20 and now they look like their at it again. So I live and learn. I appreciate your response. I still consider myself a new guy but, I got a lot of flack about that at the OCA. They said all the spawns you had you know as much as we do. Well, I consider beginners luck or just paying attention to the simple information that people post and try it and see. Tanks Much, Jerry ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.