Re: unknown fish

["David Soares" <apistodave@bendcable.com>]

Mike i had my own doubts because of the big difference in the caudal spot
but these fish are maddening I think if you go by any colors in the body the
ID can be shaky
Soft Water Dwarf Cichlids
Uwe Romer & David Soares
14697 S. Bluegrass Ln.
Sisters OR, 97759
Phone/541-549-9350
apistodave@bendcable.com
www.apistogrammaidiots.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Diane Wise" <apistowise@fgn.net>
To: <apisto@listbox.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: unknown fish


> Dave,
>
> Like I said, IDing a female apisto is difficult. I am basing my ID mostly
on the
> size & shape of the caudal spot and that it was supposed to be a Peruvian
fish
> (A. cacatuoides). The caudal spot is more of a vertical stripe (tall &
narrow)
> than that of most regani-group species. A. piauiensis, for example has a
more
> rectangular to oval caudal spot. The lateral band of A. piauiensis is also
> narrower. Archie's fish appears to have some very faint dark abdominal
stripes.
> A. piauiensis doesn't really have abdominal stripes. It has rows of
reddish
> scale edges in males, not seen on females. A. piauiensis is the
easternmost of
> the genus, coming from the Atlantic coast of Brazil. This is about as far
away
> from Peru as you can get.
>
> I find it unlikely that the 2 species were mixed, but it does happen. Look
at A.
> sp. Paraguay III in Mayland & Bork's book. That fish IS A. piauiensis even
> though it came from Paraguay with A. borellii. Marco Lacerda told me that
fish
> collectors often take fish across borders. Apparently some piauiensis from
> Brazil got mixed with local borellii in Paraguay exporter's tanks. The
same
> probably occurred with A. sp. Paraguay I which is a caetei form.
Caetei-like
> fish are only known from around the mouth of the Amazon & Rio Tocantins
> drainage, not the Paraguay system.
>
> Mike Wise
>
> David Soares wrote:
>
> > Mike what about piauensis
> > Soft Water Dwarf Cichlids
> > Uwe Romer & David Soares
> > 14697 S. Bluegrass Ln.
> > Sisters OR, 97759
> > Phone/541-549-9350
> > apistodave@bendcable.com
> > www.apistogrammaidiots.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike & Diane Wise" <apistowise@fgn.net>
> > To: <apisto@listbox.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 12:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: unknown fish
> >
> > > Archie,
> > >
> > > I just got a chance to look at your picture. Being a female it is kind
of
> > hard
> > > to ID from just 1 picture (or even 100). Still, I'll give it a try.
> > >
> > > I assume that it came in with wild A. cacatuoides, am I right? If so,
it
> > is
> > > most likely that it is Peruvian in origin. The photo shows that the
caudal
> > spot
> > > is rather tall and narrow, and there seems to be a pale area between
the
> > caudal
> > > spot and lateral band. These point to it being a member of the
> > regani-complex
> > > of the regani-group. It also appears that it has 3 very faint
abdominal
> > > stripes.
> > >
> > > If all of this is true, then it is a pretty good guess that it belongs
to
> > the
> > > only regani-complex form found in Peru. That would be A. sp.
Masked/Masken
> > (aka
> > > A. sp. Apache, A. sp. Carapintada (1 of 2 species), A. cruzi (wrong
ID),
> > A.
> > > regani (wrong ID), & A. sp. Peru (1 of many). This is a nice fish.
> > >
> > > Mike Wise
> > >
> > > Archie Christian wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am still wondering if I can get some kind of general consensus
about
> > the
> > > > fish I posted on max's
> > > > site:
http://communities.msn.com/TheDigitalAquarium/mysteryfish.msnw
> > > > I plan on taking pictures of another fish that I am trying to mate
with
> > > > the unknown fish.  hope there's a match.  Thanks all.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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