Re: Panduro

[Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise@bewellnet.com>]

cfonda@sentientconsult.com wrote:

> Jason wrote:
>
> >Hi all
> >I was just talking to someone who has been importing Apistos for 20 years
> (I
> >don't want to name him!) and he was questioning whether  A.panduro was
> really
> >a valid species.  The points raised were these:
> >
> >-Why do waters that have been well collected suddenly yield a new species?
> >
>
> Very few individuals know where A. panduro's are collected.  (It seems to
> be a closely guarded secret, though I have heard that Romer's new book will
> have the info.)  I believe that Julio knows, but he was in S.A. last I
> knew.

Apistogramma panduro is found in small tributaries of the Rio Tahuayo, a right
bank (eastern) tributary of the Rio Ucayali.  This is close to the area where A.
nijsseni is located.

> Also, heavily collected waters are no more immune to new discovery
> than any other waters -- new discovery may be less likely, but it is not
> that uncommon.
>
> >-Apistos sp. apparently get offered for sale a couple of months here and
> >there, but not steadily for a year and half as for A. panduro.

Apistogramma pandurini is so commonly available because several German hobbyists
(Uwe Römer being one of them) reproduced them in large numbers from the first
group brought in by Aquarium Glaser in June 1996.

> A. panduro is not A. sp. panduro any longer... Romer published the original
> description of the fish in JACA.  He ticked the classification experts off
> because JACA is a "hobby" journal.  Kullander himself later "re-did" the
> description and had it "properly" published.  (I use the quotes because
> these are the claims of others, with which I neither agree nor disagree.)

Kullander has NOT "re-did" or "properly" published the description of A.
panduro.  He only checked the species to verify it is a valid species.  Numerous
other original descriptions of valid species have been published in a number of
hobbyist journals, including Kullander's original description of A. hippolytae in
DCG-Informationen, the journal of the German Cichlid Association (which he now
feels was not the best place).  The ICZN presently considers such publications as
acceptable.

> Both Romer and Kullander agreed that this fish is indeed a distinct
> species.  (Part of how Romer ticked the classification people off,
> aparently, was that he performed cross-breeding experiments with A. panduro
> and A. nijsenni to confirm that they were not the same species and they
> thought this was "improper".)

The cross breeding experiments had nothing to do with the problem.  Actually
Kullander was more 'ticked' by the fact that the paper wasn't juried by a group
of scientific peers, that it was (in his opinion) incomplete, and that Römer
(again, in his opinion) didn't have enough taxonomic experience to do a proper
job.  This has been beaten to death in the Cichlid-L mailing list.  Check their
archives if you're interested at:
http://listserv.nrm.se/archives/cichlid-l/html.  Strangely, Kullander didn't say
much about Römer's earlier description of A. mendezi.

Having read Römer's complete manuscript, I see that much ancillary data was
deleted from the A. C. A.'s published version.  This, along with mislabeled
photos and typographical errors has ruffled many feathers in the scientific
community.

>  The upshot is that A. panduro is a fully
> described species.  (Now, whether you want to call it panduro or pandurini
> might be another issue.)

It was given the name A. panduro in the original description and unless changed
by the ICZN to something else it remains A. panduro

Mike Wise

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