Mike >If you don't trust any of the books, then I guess the only "valid pic" >you can trust >is the photo of the holotype in Haseman's 1911 paper! It's a nice photo >(for a dead >fish) and the retouching was done well, too. I didn't mean that statement like I knew all of the indentifications. As a matter of fact I always used the book pictures till I was constantly jumped on by Soares that I couldn't trust those books.......and I hear that there are a bunch of mis-ids in the Aqua-log............so a guy like me that is trying like the devil to id some things, I don't know where to turn except you guys......and you are being helpful........don't quit on us little people.....;-) Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!