>>.. and I will spawn them and they WILL raise their young to about 2 + weeks after free-swimming, and prove to you that given the right water........pH, hardness, temp, light, enviroment, and all...........they have not lost the "inate parental behavior" you think they have, they want a different environment than what you have given them.<< Hey, Mike. Why don't you also set up an internet feed, the RamCam, so the entire list can act as unbiased judges. :-) BTW, do you still breed Rams? I've always liked them but don't have any now. Are there any killies you're interested in? I'm headed for Suds City (a.k.a. Milwaukee) for the WAKO show this weekend. I could keep my eyes open for you at the auction. Bill Vannerson http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/william_vannerson ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!