Marco, These two species are easy to separate. A. sp. Rotwangen is a member of the caetei-complex and A. sp. Wangenflecken is a member of the resticulosa-complex. A. sp. Rotwangen is very similar to A. caetei and may be only a very colorful population of the same species. Koslowski says that A. sp. Rotwangen has broader bands separated by narrower interstitial areas while A. caetei has bands and interstitial areas of equal width. Schmettkamp's book (page 53 top) has the best picture of A. sp. Rotwangen I've seen. He lists it as A. caetei. His photo doesn't show the beautiful blue color of the flanks and gill cover, however. Koslowski's book shows another photo of this fish on page 64 bottom. For those who don't have these books, there are photos of it in Richter's Complete Book of Dwarf Cichlids on page 128 top right and Aqualog book page 28, 3rd row down, right (S03432-3) listed as A. caetei "BELEM". This is a fairly large apisto for a regani-group species. I had males grow to 3.5" (9 cm) TL. This is a fish that I had 15 years ago and really enjoyed. It was easy to breed and very good looking. Please, bring it back into the hobby, PLEASE!!!! A. sp. Wangenflecken looks very much like A. taeniata, but has a slightly lower dorsal fin, with shorter posterior extensions, and a tail fin with very few, very pale, vertical rows of spots in the central posterior part. The caudal peduncle spot is oval in A. sp. Wangenflecken, more square in A. taeniata. Spots on the cheeks of A. sp. Wangenflecken can be either fine and small or large blotches and vermiform stripes of rusty red-brown color. Linke & Staeck's book shows a finely spotted form on page 116 (English version and 4th revised German edition) listed as A. resticulosa. Schmettkamp shows a large spotted form on page 93 (bottom) listed as A. resticulosa. Koslowski shows one with vermiform lines on page 61 (bottom right, female bottom left). The fish listed in Aqualog as both A. sp. "ALENQUER" and A. sp. WANGENFLECKEN/GILLSPOT" might be the same fish, I can't see the diagnostic tail section, but the color is wrong (Mine were fish belly white with a blush of blue.). This is a small species, rarely growing over 2" (5 cm) TL. It was an easy breeder and fairly prolific. It is one of the apistos reported to have undergone female to male sex reversal, being fertile as both a female and male. This is another, not super spectacular, but desirable fish for beginners and old pros alike. Hope this helps. Mike Wise p.s. I just got a message from Myongsu Kong today who got the following letter yesterday: Dear Mr Kong Thanks a lot for your email. The title "Die Buntbarsche der Neuen Welt - Zwergcichliden" is still in work (good books need a lot of time....) I'm afraid it won't come out before autumn 2000. That's all I can tell you for the moment, apart from that we don't have any books from the old edition on stock for quite a while. But thanks for your interest. Best wishes Sigrun Wagner ______________________________________ Sigrun Wagner, Rechte und Lizenzen Verlag Eugen Ulmer Autumn 2000!!! I CAN'T WAIT THAT LONG!! AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!! Marco Lacerda wrote: > (This message is directed to all people familiar with Wangenfleck or > Rotwangen Apistogramma, specially Mike Wise) > > I'm planning to make a collecting trip to "Ilha de Marajo", a fluvial > island on Rio Amazonas stuary, from where the German author Ingo > Koslowski said came two Apistogramma spp. from the A. regani-group: > > - A. sp. "Rotwangen" (red-cheeked) > - A. sp. "Wangenfleck" (cheek-spotted) > > As they might be sympatric at the referred locality, I would like to > know diagnostic characters of both species, also how to distinguish > them from A. caetei, A. resticulosa and similar, related species. > > All the best, > Marco. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. > Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!