Hi everyone, I could'nt get this fish to spawn...however hard I tried. I'ts a pertensis group, so I figured blackwater.I kept the pH in the 5s, raised the temp to 82.Nothing. Well I threw them in a heavily planted community tank with 3 other pairs of dwarfs in there a nd a BUNCH of tetras. They spawned. pH6.6-6.8 temp 77. nothing blackwater about it. Just goes to show, does'nt it! :-) Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!