Hi all.I was wondering at what size A.juruensis start to develop the dorsal spikes?I bought some wild ones today,at least thats what the lfs said.They are a real nice blue like the pic in the Mayland,Bork book,but they dont have spikes in the dorsal or caudal fins.Dont juruensis have a black chin stripe?They are about 1in.They have the juruensis body but the fins dont have spikes.If they are not juruensis does anyone have any idea what they might be.I know they are a cacatuoides fish.There was a female norberti in with them,could they be norberti? Vern ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!