Tom, You pertensis-like fish looks very much like A. sp. (Rio Maniapure) pictured in Linke & Staeck's most recent edition of their book (1997, in German only). It probably is most closely related to Vierstreifen/4-stripes. The Maniapure species comes from the middle Orinoco (east of the meeting of the Rio Meta & Orinoco). Yours comes from farther north I think. They might not be the same species but look very similar. Mike Wise Thomas Wilkinson wrote: > This has been a good winter for spawning > activity. I currently have fry from two > populations of A. guttata, two populations of A. > hoignei, and from my unidentfied pertensis-like > apisto ( Mike I will send you a photo). The > pertensis like fish is quite sensitive to pH for > survival of the fry. When I allowed the pH to > get up around 6.5, I had several batches of eggs > hatch but the fry soon disappeared. When I keep > the pH around 5.5, the fry do well.I have also > made changes in the gravel in some of my tanks. > I switched from coated gravel of about 5 mm to > Lone Star #3 sand. This has not only improved > the looks of the tanks but the fish are able to > dig the pits to move the fry around to and also > pile up the sand to block the entrance to the > spawning caves when eggs or fry are in the > caves. I have not had problems with algae > coating the surface of this sand as I did with > finer sand.Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!