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[AGA-Contest] Re: AGA-Contest Digest, Vol 3, Issue 6
I'd be happy to help pre-screen.
Once we make a decision, I suggest we contact the entrants, tell them their
tanks (if neccessary) have been re-classified and why.
I am loathe to drop the division entirely, even if entrants are few, and
good ones fewer. I still think it's worthwhile to reward the efforts of
those who are doing it right. One way to handle it in the future is to TELL
people that tanks entered in that category which do not meet the minimum
requirements of a biotope tank will not receive prizes. I think this would
immediately halt the entries that are there just because it's easier to get
a ribbon in that category than any other.
Karen
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> 1. The Biotope Problem Continues (93) (Erik Olson)
> 2. Re: The Biotope Problem Continues (93) (Roger Miller)
> 3. Re: The Biotope Problem Continues (Steven Pituch)
> 4. Re: The Biotope Problem Continues (93) (fwd) (Erik Olson)
> 5. Re: The Biotope Problem Continues (93) (fwd) (S. Hieber)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:41:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
> Subject: [AGA-Contest] The Biotope Problem Continues (93)
> To: aga-contest@thekrib.com
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> Hi folks,
>
> Keep in mind that the official final tally will probably be 3-5 less than
> this unofficial running number, but still... two days left to go, the
> slackers still haven't checked in, AND still no Senske package. Folks, I
> think we're going to go over 100 this time. :)
>
> OK, now the bad news, and my topic for today: There have been four
> biotope entries, and it's my opinion that three should all be tossed out
> of the category. One of them the entrant confused "Nature Aquarium" with
> "Biotope", one uses appropriate plants for a particular continent but
> doesn't attempt to duplicate a natural setting, and one of them I'm not
> sure WHAT it's trying to do at all. A fourth entry might actually be
> really good, but I need to pour through Kasselmann and Baensch to verify
> the species and such.
>
> Question: What do you guys think of bringing in a couple of people/judges
> to pre-screen these entries on the 16th before the general judging starts?
> I'm a little shaky deciding to do this on my own. Maybe Karen & Phil?
>
> - Erik
>
> --
> Erik Olson
> erik at thekrib dot com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:16:38 -0600
> From: Roger Miller <roger@spinn.net>
> Subject: Re: [AGA-Contest] The Biotope Problem Continues (93)
> To: aga-contest@thekrib.com
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> On Monday 13 September 2004 22:41, Erik Olson wrote:
>
> Pre-screening by committee sounds like a good idea to me.
>
> Roger
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Keep in mind that the official final tally will probably be 3-5 less
than
> > this unofficial running number, but still... two days left to go, the
> > slackers still haven't checked in, AND still no Senske package. Folks,
I
> > think we're going to go over 100 this time. :)
> >
> > OK, now the bad news, and my topic for today: There have been four
> > biotope entries, and it's my opinion that three should all be tossed out
> > of the category. One of them the entrant confused "Nature Aquarium"
with
> > "Biotope", one uses appropriate plants for a particular continent but
> > doesn't attempt to duplicate a natural setting, and one of them I'm not
> > sure WHAT it's trying to do at all. A fourth entry might actually be
> > really good, but I need to pour through Kasselmann and Baensch to verify
> > the species and such.
> >
> > Question: What do you guys think of bringing in a couple of
people/judges
> > to pre-screen these entries on the 16th before the general judging
starts?
> > I'm a little shaky deciding to do this on my own. Maybe Karen & Phil?
> >
> > - Erik
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:06:29 -0700
> From: "Steven Pituch" <spituch@ev1.net>
> Subject: Re: [AGA-Contest] The Biotope Problem Continues
> To: "aga-contest" <aga-contest@thekrib.com>, "Erik Olson"
> <erik@thekrib.com>
> Message-ID: <003701c49a6c$6b658fa0$6500a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
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>
> Eric,
>
> I think it would be a good idea to prescreen the entries. Make the judges
> aware that it is an aquascaping category (design) with an additional
> emphasis on some amount of accuracy of the biotope. (You explained it
very
> well in the guidelines). If the judges feel that the entries would do
> better in one of the "aquatic garden" categories then it would be pure
> kindness to move the entry to that category. Even if one entry (or no
> entry) remains in the biotope category... well....that's life.
>
> Regards,
> Steve Pituch
> ----------------------------------------------
> >There have been four
> > biotope entries, and it's my opinion that three should all be tossed out
> > of the category..... What do you guys think of bringing in a couple of
> people/judges
> > to pre-screen these entries on the 16th before the general judging
starts?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:13:51 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
> Subject: Re: [AGA-Contest] The Biotope Problem Continues (93) (fwd)
> To: aga-contest@thekrib.com
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>
> Looks like I had the list configured wrong, so replies weren't going to
> the list. Should work now.
>
> Yes, I am suggesting that a couple of people help me pre-select biotopes
> before the judging starts. I *think* they should be reclassified, but I
> want a second opinion.
>
> - Erik
>
> --
> Erik Olson
> erik at thekrib dot com
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 03:27:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: S. Hieber <shieber@yahoo.com>
> To: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
> Subject: Re: [AGA-Contest] The Biotope Problem Continues (93)
>
> Are you suggesting a pre-rating on how well the entries fit
> the biotope guidelines? Or are you suggesting an
> eliminative screeening. I'm guessing the former since we
> tolkd folks "No entries will be disqualifed based on
> inaccuracies."
>
> Next year it might be a good idea to pre-screen so that
> someone can decide if they want to move their entry to
> another category or jsut withdraw. It might be a good idea
> if we can find willing presecreeners.
>
> sh
> --- Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Keep in mind that the official final tally will probably
> > be 3-5 less than
> > this unofficial running number, but still... two days
> > left to go, the
> > slackers still haven't checked in, AND still no Senske
> > package. Folks, I
> > think we're going to go over 100 this time. :)
> >
> > OK, now the bad news, and my topic for today: There have
> > been four
> > biotope entries, and it's my opinion that three should
> > all be tossed out
> > of the category. One of them the entrant confused
> > "Nature Aquarium" with
> > "Biotope", one uses appropriate plants for a particular
> > continent but
> > doesn't attempt to duplicate a natural setting, and one
> > of them I'm not
> > sure WHAT it's trying to do at all. A fourth entry might
> > actually be
> > really good, but I need to pour through Kasselmann and
> > Baensch to verify
> > the species and such.
> >
> > Question: What do you guys think of bringing in a couple
> > of people/judges
> > to pre-screen these entries on the 16th before the
> > general judging starts?
> > I'm a little shaky deciding to do this on my own. Maybe
> > Karen & Phil?
> >
> > - Erik
> >
> > --
> > Erik Olson
> > erik at thekrib dot com
> > _______________________________________________
> > AGA-Contest mailing list
> > AGA-Contest@thekrib.com
> > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-contest
> >
>
>
> =====
> Plant your feet in Washington, D.C. and touch the moon -- at the National
Air & Space Museum.
> And learn the art of aquascaping Senske style at AGA2K4.
>
> Speakers, field trip, Ray "Kingfish" Lucas, and more. . .
> The Annual AGA Convention, 2004, November 12-14.
>
> Convention Details/Registration at aquatic-gardeners.org & gwapa.org
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:15:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [AGA-Contest] The Biotope Problem Continues (93) (fwd)
> To: AGA Aquascaping Contest Planning <aga-contest@thekrib.com>
> Message-ID: <20040914141537.5452.qmail@web51701.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Do it if you have screeners. But I try to notify the
> entrants if we move them to a new category.
>
> The category just doesn't wanna fly :-(
>
> We've got a few months to think about what to do next year.
> Maybe we should ust give all entries an extra point or so
> IF it fits biotope guidelines but not have a separate
> category for biotopes :-\
>
> sh
> --- Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> wrote:
>
> > Looks like I had the list configured wrong, so replies
> > weren't going to
> > the list. Should work now.
> >
> > Yes, I am suggesting that a couple of people help me
> > pre-select biotopes
> > before the judging starts. I *think* they should be
> > reclassified, but I
> > want a second opinion.
> >
> > - Erik
> >
> > --
> > Erik Olson
> > erik at thekrib dot com
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 03:27:44 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: S. Hieber <shieber@yahoo.com>
> > To: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AGA-Contest] The Biotope Problem Continues
> > (93)
> >
> > Are you suggesting a pre-rating on how well the entries
> > fit
> > the biotope guidelines? Or are you suggesting an
> > eliminative screeening. I'm guessing the former since we
> > tolkd folks "No entries will be disqualifed based on
> > inaccuracies."
> >
> > Next year it might be a good idea to pre-screen so that
> > someone can decide if they want to move their entry to
> > another category or jsut withdraw. It might be a good
> > idea
> > if we can find willing presecreeners.
> >
> > sh
> > --- Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > Keep in mind that the official final tally will
> > probably
> > > be 3-5 less than
> > > this unofficial running number, but still... two days
> > > left to go, the
> > > slackers still haven't checked in, AND still no Senske
> > > package. Folks, I
> > > think we're going to go over 100 this time. :)
> > >
> > > OK, now the bad news, and my topic for today: There
> > have
> > > been four
> > > biotope entries, and it's my opinion that three should
> > > all be tossed out
> > > of the category. One of them the entrant confused
> > > "Nature Aquarium" with
> > > "Biotope", one uses appropriate plants for a particular
> > > continent but
> > > doesn't attempt to duplicate a natural setting, and one
> > > of them I'm not
> > > sure WHAT it's trying to do at all. A fourth entry
> > might
> > > actually be
> > > really good, but I need to pour through Kasselmann and
> > > Baensch to verify
> > > the species and such.
> > >
> > > Question: What do you guys think of bringing in a
> > couple
> > > of people/judges
> > > to pre-screen these entries on the 16th before the
> > > general judging starts?
> > > I'm a little shaky deciding to do this on my own.
> > Maybe
> > > Karen & Phil?
> > >
> > > - Erik
> > >
> > > --
> > > Erik Olson
> > > erik at thekrib dot com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AGA-Contest mailing list
> > > AGA-Contest@thekrib.com
> > > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-contest
> > >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > Plant your feet in Washington, D.C. and touch the moon --
> > at the National Air & Space Museum.
> > And learn the art of aquascaping Senske style at AGA2K4.
> >
> > Speakers, field trip, Ray "Kingfish" Lucas, and more. . .
> > The Annual AGA Convention, 2004, November 12-14.
> >
> > Convention Details/Registration at aquatic-gardeners.org
> > & gwapa.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > AGA-Contest mailing list
> > AGA-Contest@thekrib.com
> > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-contest
> >
>
>
> =====
> Plant your feet in Washington, D.C. and touch the moon -- at the National
Air & Space Museum.
> And learn the art of aquascaping Senske style at AGA2K4.
>
> Speakers, field trip, Ray "Kingfish" Lucas, and more. . .
> The Annual AGA Convention, 2004, November 12-14.
>
> Convention Details/Registration at aquatic-gardeners.org & gwapa.org
>
>
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